this right here, this comment right here pisses me the fuck off.
you’re in your every right to like one company more than the other but cite “better women” as your reason is not only insulting to the amazing, wonderful female characters DC has created but also hailing marvel’s female characters for all the wrong reason.
If you said your reason for liking one company more than the other is because Marvel treats its female characters better or is starting to, i would completely agree with you and probably have a discussion.
BUT THIS. THIS IS NOT OKAY
There’s also the fact that it goes against every notion of feminism ever.
"Better Women" is reducing a whole group of women to one broad gesture, and using it to degrade another group of women.
No woman is better than another, and DC’s women certainly aren’t terrible. They’re amazing. And so are Marvel’s; all women are.
DC treats it’s women like shit. That’s not their fault, and it doesn’t make them less than.
Here’s the thing. I knew this was coming.
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Every time a Jennifer Lawrence or Anne Hathaway challenges an interviewer’s question on the basis of sexism/feminism – asking why their male counterpart got the “good” question about his work and she got the question about her outfit and workout routine we come a little bit closer. We do a tiny bit better.
Moments like these are praised, especially on Tumblr. Gifset after gifset of JLaw or Anne Hathaway makes its way across my dash with thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of notes, praising the actresses for rejecting the systematic sexism thrown their way in interviews or speaking out or being vocal for (white) feminism.
Yet when Nicole Beharie does it, we get a soundbite turned gifset stripped of its context, spun around, and flipped on its head to paint Beharie, Fox’s breakout star, and Black America’s latest hero, as some fronting, demeaning, sexist, spewing divisive, anti-feminist logic with a misogynistic undercurrent.
HUH! Well will you look at that! It’s the Miley Cyrus twerking debacle all over again. As I scroll through the “Nicole Beharie” tag I’ve tracked on tumblr I find myself taking a deep cleansing breath to rid myself of the frustration that’s come over me, and realize the smell of sexism and feel of racism permeating my lungs is all too familiar. And expected.
Beharie’s comment about preferring Marvel over DC because they have better women, wasn’t “reducing a whole group of women to one broad gesture, and using it to degrade another group of women.” On the contrary, she was praising Marvel for it’s better treatment, visibility, and writing of their women/female characters – thereby declaring her preference for Marvel’s story telling. The darnest thing is that somehow when I watched this interview, I squealed in a total fangirl moment that consisted of a gasp & “me toooo.” Y’know…because I got it!
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Dear white feminists who don’t know the true meaning of intersectionality, take your puppet strings and weak attempts elsewhere.
*Defaulters refers to the default gender, sexual orientation, (& in this article in particular) race, etc. here in America. I seriously shouldn’t need to spell it out any more than that. :O)
What in the FUCKING FUCK? How does anyone read that very brief exchange, even stripped of context, as ANYTHING OTHER THAN “I prefer Marvel because their women characters are treated and written better?”
Oh, yeah, right. Racism, that’s how. JFC, people.
It’s really ridiculous just how uncharitably they read her comment. As said above, it was obvious what she meant. These characters aren’t REAL, they’re created. When she says “better women” she meant better characters, better written, better situated. It’s like saying you like Star Wars better than Star Trek because of “better battles” and then somebody says “YOU ARE DEMEANING THE AMAZING OFFICERS IN STAR TREK WHO GIVE THEIR LIVES IN COMBAT”. Well, no. They’re not real, the battles are fictional constructs made out of creative choices and decisions by writers and filmmakers. And we understand that. This isn’t any different. And generally, we do understand that for women talking about how women are portrayed or treated in media too, at least (as pointed out in the above reblogs) for white people.
Using the example alluded to above about Emma Stone pointing out the differences between the questions she gets asked and Andrew Garfield gets asked, she’s praised for noting that she gets asked all the fashion/relationship questions and he gets asked “the interesting, poignant questions”. I mean people could be just as uncharitable to her and say that she’s claiming fashion and relationships aren’t interesting and she’s demeaning groups of women who are interested in those things. But they don’t, because they understand context and that she’s pointing out sexism. And yet for Beharie, they read it as literal and negatively as possible, and ignored that she’s talking about fictional creations and therefore her critique/praise would obviously be about the writing and creative choices. People don’t need to agree with her assessment, but to dismiss her opinion by trying to frame it in this completely contextless way is ridiculous.
I have been watching pieces of the hangout since I was at work and missed it (although I don’t know that I would have watched it had I been home), and I just want to throw out one thing: the fact that Joanna Sotomura is a WOC in a lead role is fantastic. However, that isn’t a pass to fall back on the “we chose the best person for the job” line when every other character ends up white. You can say it as many times as you want, but it does not change the fact that, at the end of the day, you are not casting diverse actors (or writing diverse characters—for example, not making any of the major characters LGBTQ+). If you claim you want diversity, make it happen. You are the ones with the power to do so.
Also, it really doesn’t account for much when the character is white-passing and there’s no reference to her race. It feels kinda like when people justify Keanu Reave’s casting in 47 Ronin because he’s partially Chinese.
I kept watching LBD because I liked the more diverse cast. EA is really letting me down on that front.
I’m real tired of seeing skinny white kids painted as THE AVERAGE QUEER. Like please show me a curvy Indian agender kid from Brooklyn, a hispanic lesbian and her black girlfriend. A trans demisexual dude from Korea. GIVE ME SOMETHING OTHER THAN LANKY PALE PEOPLE WITH COLORFUL HAIR PLEASE GOD.
I will never stop linking to this article: Black People Make Up Largest Share of LGBT Community
Let’s stop pretending otherwise, OK Media?
How to be a fan of problematic things -
I like things, and some of those things are problematic. I like Lord of the Rings even though it’s pretty fucked up with regard to women and race (any narrative that says “this whole race is evil” is fucked up, okay). I like A Song of Ice and Fire even though its portrayal of people of colour is problematic, and often I find that its in-text condemnation of patriarchy isn’t obvious enough to justify the sexism displayed. I like the movie Scott Pilgrim vs The World even though it is racist in its portrayal of Matthew Patel, panders to stereotypes in its portrayal of Wallace, and trivialises queer female sexuality in its portrayal of Ramona and Roxy’s relationship. For fuck’s sake, Ramona even says “It was a phase”! How much more cliche and offensive could this movie be? Oh wait, remember how Scott defeats Roxy, his only female adversary, by making her orgasm? Excuse me while I vomit…and then keep watching because I still like the rest of the movie.
I just read this for the first time, and I really liked it and what it has to say.
- Firstly, acknowledge that the thing you like is problematic and do not attempt to make excuses for it.
- Secondly, do not gloss over the issues or derail conversations about the problematic elements.
- Thirdly you must acknowledge other, even less favourable, interpretations of the media you like.
If you badger others to see what you see in something when they are telling you it’s not enjoyable for them, you’re being an entitled jerk. You’re showing yourself to be willing to hurt a real person over a television show. That really is a sign you’re taking things too seriously.
As fans, sometimes we need to remember that the things we like don’t define our worth as people. So there’s no need to defend them from every single criticism or pretend they are perfect. Really loving something means seeing it as it really is, not as you wish it were. You can still be a good fan while acknowledging the problematic elements of the things you love. In fact, that’s the only way to be a good fan of problematic things.
Meet Lizzie and Wendy: ‘Bob’s Burgers’ Hilarious Sister Writing Duo -
Lizzie: I think I always wanted to try to be funny like she was; I’m kind of still trying to do that.
Wendy: And I’m trying to be funny like Lizzie. This sounds like the promising start of a body switching movie. Two sisters, switchin’ bodies – Twisters. In theaters this fall!